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post #61 of 67
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(4Mica @ April 20 2005,08:45) Interesting article
Somehow I've always had very little faith in these studies - remember the FDA contended (often vigourously) for over 25 years that anabolic steroids had no impact on muscle/strength gain. Panzer
I take all such studies with a HUGE grain of salt but I thought the article was germane to the topic.
post #62 of 67
Let me begin by noting that I am an alcohol/drug counselor and I spent some 25 years slowly killing myself before I accepted help. I therefore claim to know something about bad habits. Obese people are insane, in the sense that they knowingly continue the same behaviors (overeating), ignoring the consequences. For these unhappy people, breaking the cycle is extremely difficult. If willpower was all it took, there wouldn't be a problem (watch an active alcoholic move mountains to get a drink). Abusing the obese might get a few cheap laughs from the gallery, but it isn't helpful. What is helpful is this: if someone you care about suffers from a compulsory behavior, talk to him kindly, but bluntly, and tell him what you see. Offer to assist in getting the person to treatment. If he refuses, maybe you have at least planted a seed. And above all, be polite, no matter what.
post #63 of 67
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In the second phase, seven women acted as either obese or healthy-weight shoppers. They also carried either a diet cola or an ice cream drink and told store employees whether or not they were trying to lose weight. Obese shoppers with the ice-cream drink reported the greatest amount of discrimination, King said.
I don't know why fat people even drink 'diet' cola, and whom they're trying to fool? I had a gym teacher in high school who drank 'diet' coke, and he weighed 300+ pounds at least. Whenever he stepped into his truck, you could see the truck fall a little from all the weight. Sure, he was drinking 'diet' cola, but he was also drinking 2 or 3 of them an hour. Maybe, just maybe, drinking water would have been more effective. Genetics probably has a role with some people who eat right and exercise correctly with being a little overweight. But, dude, a size 22. Is that 300 pounds? You don't get to a size like that if you still exercise and eat right. No, it takes a lot of dedication and work to get that fat.
post #64 of 67
Hey, I drink Diet Coke. Oh wait, I am 5'11" and weigh a little under 165 lbs. Sorry. But just in case, even if I get to 400 lbs, I am entitled to drink diet.
post #65 of 67
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ken, just an example of how poorly you seem to grasp the information that you are trying to process - the very enthic groups that you are talking about, pacific islanders and native americans, very often have a strong genetic inclination towards obesity. this is theorized as due to surviving so many generations on such limited diets and in such difficult circomstances. people whose ansestors were fat aren't that likely to be fat or obese - people whose ansestors had trouble making it through the winter (or the dry season) and needed to have very economical metabolisms have a genetic tendency to be obese. you could make the same genetic argument - since genetic tendency towards obesity is closely correlated with genetic groups that developed in exceptionally harsh enviroments, and since these same people needed to have powerful, flexible minds to survive, they are genetically more inclined to be intellegent. that is just an example of the poor logic of your thinking here.
Who the hell is talking about obesity? I was responding to somebody's claim that people w/prominent foreheads or whatever are smarter than others. But, that's just one example of how poorly you read posts. (Oooooohhh.)
post #66 of 67
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I don't know why fat people even drink 'diet' cola, and whom they're trying to fool? I had a gym teacher in high school who drank 'diet' coke, and he weighed 300+ pounds at least. Whenever he stepped into his truck, you could see the truck fall a little from all the weight. Sure, he was drinking 'diet' cola, but he was also drinking 2 or 3 of them an hour. Maybe, just maybe, drinking water would have been more effective.
I don't mind fat people drinking diet soda if it keeps them from getting fatter. If your gym teacher was drinking that much regular soda, let's say 10-15 cans a day, that's an extra 1800-2500 calories per day. At that rate, he would probably weigh 400 pounds instead of 300. But yes, water would be even better.
post #67 of 67
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When you say "evolved," I think genetic differences, so if that's not what you mean, then the above would be equivalent to saying that coastal populations developed better sailing skills than landlocked populations.  I.e., it's an adaptation that has nothing to do with physical selection.
No it isn't. Being able to sail doesn't have anything to do with being able to survive. But being smart (or, conversly, being immune to disease) definitely does. But maybe I don't understand your question. Anyways, you can't really research evolution, because the tests have already been done (and have taken hundreds of thousands of years). Evolutionary theorists usually borrow studies done for completely different reasons, and adapt the information to inferences they make about evolutionary outcomes. Some say it's poor science, but I don't think so. Anyways, there's no other way to do it.
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