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post #61 of 72
2/9/09 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by Tardek View Post
Doesn't work quite like that if your client says to you "I am guilty. Get me off anyway". I do ethics this semester, so my answer to such a thing is only an approximation.
I thought a client can't say that? I mean he can but a lawyer would have to report it to the police who would count it as a confession to admit in court?
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post #62 of 72
2/9/09 at 10:35pm
Legal privilege?

I'm pretty sure it just means you can't defend your client from the point of view that they didn't do it. For example, defences like autonomy and self defense rely on the fact that your client did, indeed, do it.

I am pretty sure that's how it works down here. Not sure about up in the states.
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post #63 of 72
2/12/09 at 7:57pm
Yeah, attorney-client privilege is alive and well in the US as well.
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post #64 of 72
7/23/10 at 3:23am
I refer to myself as a lawyer and an attorney interchangeably - but I find that I use attorney more often when I am writing and lawyer more often when I am speaking. Sometimes I will introduce myself as "counsel for the petitioner," etc.
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post #65 of 72
7/23/10 at 12:39pm
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Lawyers make a lot more money... To be a good lawyer in most fields you have to have pretty flexible morals and I imagine you end up working for a lot of unsavoury characters...
EPIC threak. This is hilarious.
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post #66 of 72
7/26/10 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
Which career is better in your opinion? Designing buildings or defending criminals?
I'm at the same crossroads. I'm a 3rd year political science major, wondering what I should do once I wrap up my undergrad. I'm leaning towards architecture, well in my case, it would be urban planning/design/land-use. At the moment I'm interning at a small law firm (personal injury and car accidents) and I kid you not on the first day one of the lawyers flipped open a new client folder and went, "At least we don't have to lie with this case." The lawyers I work for are unhappy and are always trying to get away from the office. I don't find them to be socially normal. They always avoid eye contact. The field of architecture/urban design is expected to grow 18% in the next decade, while at the moment the market for lawyers is unfavorable as there is a surplus. When you go to Law School, you take on a crazy amount of debt and stress and then you're thrown into an unpredictable job market. Oh and the competition! The only reason I'm considering Law is because I have several relatives that own law firms in San Diego County and I would pretty much be guaranteed a job straight out of school. Needless to say, I vote architect.
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post #67 of 72
7/26/10 at 8:55pm
I would say architect, while you don't bring home anywhere the same coin, but the trade off is this, you're designing buildings/environments. Lawyers have to work 80 hours a week to meek their billable hour requirements and excersise situational morality working on behalf of some sketchy characters and organizations. What good is all the money when you have no time to play with it and you're treated like a social pariah.
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post #68 of 72
7/26/10 at 9:49pm
I assume the question concerns with whom I would rather share a few beers. I choose the lawyer. Just to be clear, I assume you mean a trial lawyer simply because no one really cares about the paper-pushing, brief-writing, office-worker type.

If you think you might be a good architect then you probably wouldn't be a good lawyer. Sprinkler systems anyone?
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post #69 of 72
7/26/10 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by Tardek View Post
Legal privilege?

I'm pretty sure it just means you can't defend your client from the point of view that they didn't do it. For example, defences like autonomy and self defense rely on the fact that your client did, indeed, do it.

I am pretty sure that's how it works down here. Not sure about up in the states.

Yer way off, bro.
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post #70 of 72
7/26/10 at 10:05pm
Please don't be a lawyer. There are too many of us already, I don't need the competition. Friggin' PA is in the sextuple digits for Attorney ID numbers, this is ridiculous.
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post #71 of 72
7/26/10 at 11:27pm
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I would say architect, while you don't bring home anywhere the same coin, but the trade off is this, you're designing buildings/environments.

Lawyers have to work 80 hours a week to meek their billable hour requirements and excersise situational morality working on behalf of some sketchy characters and organizations. What good is all the money when you have no time to play with it and you're treated like a social pariah.

Architects work insane hours as well, and for much less money. One of my prof. in arch school came to the office around 8am, left to teach from 1pm-5pm, then went back to office till 8pm, went home for a few hours and was back at the office by 12am staying there until around 5am, going home and starting the day all over.

Granted not all architects are like that but in my own personal experience architecture is a very "selfish" profession; it takes a lot from you and doesn't give much back. But we do get to draw pretty pictures...

I love it though... (sometimes)
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post #72 of 72
7/26/10 at 11:58pm
This is just funny. Or sad. Or both.

I work in a biglaw office. The place is 80% empty by 530. Sometimes you're there til AM, sure, but that's the storm and there are plenty of lulls in between storms. We whine a lot but corporate is cyclical, last week you could've play mini golf in the halls in the afternoon and no one would've noticed. Litigation is steadier but the emergency 2am session seems to be the exception rather than the rule with those guys. Which I imagine is true of most businesses.

I am junior and as we know shit rolls downhill, and even I rarely have to stay late. I probably will average sub 60 hour weeks for the next few months at least. Our billable targets for associates are 1750. That includes things like pro bono, client development, professional development etc. In a couple of groups they bill less time, and some people are workaholics, but that is pretty much industry standard in Canada.

We act for banks, oil companies, manufacturers, transport companies, mining companies, etcetera. Sometimes, wealthy individuals. They're businesspeople. Not undesirables.

Anyone NOT get their impressions of lawyerdom from cheap stand up comedy?
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