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post #31 of 51
And for the record, I dont think that this thread can go die without those fateful words from our Boy Prince "You like it the lamb?" Kudos to JCusey for the heads up.
post #32 of 51
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And for the record, I dont think that this thread can go die without those fateful words from our Boy Prince "You like it the lamb?" Kudos to JCusey for the heads up.
I've got stitches now, damn you FIHTies..
post #33 of 51
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(LA Guy @ April 11 2005,13:19) I would like to see a Nightowl/ernest showdown. So, everyone give Mr. Grenson and M. Lanvin some room please. J., um, the correct term is "Triad Soldier". Ninjas are Japanese. You think we're all alike, don't you? Tokyo ought to give you a slap upside the head.
Who am I to argue with a Moderator? Or == Mighty Chinese Warlord??
Lordy. I hope you meant that to be funny, because I just spit out my soda. It would suck if I spat it out in vein.
post #34 of 51
For some reason I couldn't access the video. It seems to me that the number of pelts required to make garments is greatly hyped in many cases on that site. Thirty wolf pelts for one coat? Maybe if King Kong heads north. Eight mountain lion pelts for one coat? (Didn't think they really were much good for fur, being rather short haired.) How do you get fur off a sable antelope? Who the hell wears opposum fur--the grubby looking things. Let's look at the positive side of fur. It is very eco-friendly in some ways. Furbearing mammals are a readily renewable resource. Many of them are abundant enough to be pests--nutria in the American South and beaver that are making a strong comeback in many places, for example. If fur is a sustainable cash crop, it is an incentive for preserving wetlands and other wild areas. Trapping and harvesting fur is often an important source of income to native/indigenous peoples. Contrast this with the ecological damage wrought by sheep, my wool wearing friends, or cattle, all you of who wear leather shoes, or the destruction of wild habitat to raise cotton or flax. A consistent philosophy toward animals is probably an impossibility. We sanction hunting but severly punish dogfighting--go figure. Unless you either are strict vegan and believe that animals have equal rights and equities with humans or go to the other extreme and hold that society should impose no standards whatsoever on how animals should be treated (anti-cruelty laws, etc.)--and both these extremes are unacceptable to normal decent people--we are going to remain inconsistent. Frankly, I lo-o-o-ve fur when it is adorning a sexy young woman (quality fur, anyway--sable, mink, etc.)...or even a sexy middle-aged woman, for that matter. Fortunately, my wife doesn't care for fur...which is just as well. The only way I could ever festoon her in sable is by winning a high-dollar lottery.
post #35 of 51
Ernest, While we're at it, we should also ban foie gras. That's pretty barbaric as well.
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by LA Guy,April 11 2005,13:19
I would like to see a Nightowl/ernest showdown.  So, everyone give Mr. Grenson and M. Lanvin some room please. J., um, the correct term is "Triad Soldier".  Ninjas are Japanese.  You think we're all alike, don't you?  Tokyo ought to give you a slap upside the head.
Who am I to argue with a Moderator? Or == Mighty Chinese Warlord??
Lordy. I hope you meant that to be funny, because I just spit out my soda. It would suck if I spat it out in vein.
Yes, but next time remember to think of the soda trees before wasting it.
post #37 of 51
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Ernest, While we're at it, we should also ban foie gras. That's pretty barbaric as well.
I agree
post #38 of 51
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But boy, I do think I would love to see this little number on my wife.
I think I'd rather see that little number on me. Oh wait, were you talking about the girl? Or the fur? Oh never mind.
post #39 of 51
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(nightowl6261a @ April 11 2005,14:03) But boy, I do think I would love to see this little number on my wife.
I think I'd rather see that little number on me. Oh wait, were you talking about the girl? Or the fur? Oh never mind.
OK... Time to move to streetwear...
post #40 of 51
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I've read several papers that pretty much prove that if we all were vegetarians or eat free range animals, we would starve because there is not enough land for all of us. As fpr fur though we don't need it.
I think you may be mistaken; If we were all vegetarians, we would have plenty of food. It takes 10x the amount of grain to feed one cow to get the same energy. Each step up the food chain divides the amount of energy by 10. Lets say that cow eats 10,000 lbs of grain in a life time, its only going to produce 100 pounds of steak (just an example). That's why you have fewer tertiary consumers (like lions, bears, or humans) than secondary level consumers (like any herbavore). Although vegan/vegetarians have alot more to worry about with aedequate nutrient supplies, plus meat tastes very, very good.
post #41 of 51
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It takes 10x the amount of grain to feed one cow to get the same energy.  Each step up the food chain divides the amount of energy by 10.  Lets say that cow eats 10,000 lbs of grain in a life time, its only going to produce 100 pounds of steak (just an example).  That's why you have fewer tertiary consumers (like lions, bears, or humans) than secondary level consumers (like any herbavore).
This is a great point and relays another great point, if we did not let the cow eat so much and get big and fat, then we would be killing it at an earlier age and therefore have better meat, Veal...better softer more supple shoes, because everyone here has to admit that calf skin feels so much better wrapped around your foot than does those hard hide Florsheims.
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Although vegan/vegetarians have alot more to worry about with aedequate nutrient supplies, plus meat tastes very, very good.
Can you imagine if we had to rely on potato skins for shoes instead of that fine Prada leather?
post #42 of 51
I think fur is a lovely material for coats, etc. And I also think PETA is a terroristic entity.
post #43 of 51
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I think fur is a lovely material for coats, etc. And I also think PETA is a terroristic entity.
i tend to agree, allthough i do not wear fur i am a capitalist and understand that any company who produces fur so long as there is a demand is not going to stop just because of PETA. did anyone see the article on Anna Wintor (editor of vogue) getting a pie in the face from a PETA person, right in the front row of a fashion show. the funny thing is that it was a tofu pie.
post #44 of 51
That statement about the cattle sucking up resources is complete (pardon the pun) bullshit. I come from a farming background. Cattle are grazed out on pretty much unfarmable land and the alfalfa and feed corn is grown in climates not really conducive to other crop types. You can swing by my familys ranch in South Dakota and argue about it if you want.
post #45 of 51
Thanks j... I think... Also, I believe that this thread belongs more properly in the ernest moderated "farmer pimp" forum rather than the streetwear forum.
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