The Architecture Thread

[StephenHero]



We've been talking about mullions the whole ******* time, haven't we? What other concrete could I have been meaning? The invisible kind?

First you stated he chose the concrete mullions to support the roof without a column. Then you said the only reason he picked concrete mullions was to satisfy an aesthetic fetish. These cannot both be true. You simply asserted each when it was most convenient for you.

NO, you ******* moron. I said the only reason he chose concrete over the other structural options is because the pattern. He made two design choices:


Structural Wall or Curtain Wall? Structural Wall.

Steel, Wood, or Concrete Mullions? Concrete.

 

[Douglas]

 

[TheFoo]



Do you realize the entire premise of your "point" rested on your initial belief that concrete was the only way to hold that roof up? If you recognized the myriad of other ways it could be done, you would have read what I said with that implicit understanding, and thus eliminated the need to be find a technicality that can only be found if you don't know what you're talking about.

No, genius, it was your premise.

 

[Douglas]

 

[SkinnyGoomba]

My eyes! What is seen cannot be unseen.

 

[TheFoo]



NO, you ******* moron. I said the only reason he chose concrete over the other structural options is because the pattern. He made two design choices:


Structural Wall or Curtain Wall? Structural Wall.

Steel, Wood, or Concrete Mullions? Concrete.

Wow, the stupid just keeps coming.

We were always talking about a structural wall. Why would you ever consider the supporting qualities of a material if the wall were a curtain?

 

[StephenHero]



No, genius, it was your premise.

Read the first two sentences of the initial post:

He built some cluttered things. Many of his worst buildings are made of concrete, because he was trying to exploit its form-making potential in a structural way that was ahead of the construction technology that was needed in order to pull it off with a gracefulness we might expect today. In the case of this house, he's using precast concrete window mullions to support the living room's roof so that he could get away with not using an internal support column in the living space."

I alluded to his formwork pattern fetish in the first ******* sentence. You just had too little understanding to pick up on it. "Form-making potential" implies ornament. If I didn't mean that, I would have said "exploit its structural potential in a form-making way," which would have implied that concrete was structurally necessary.

 

[mordecai]



We've been talking about mullions the whole ******* time, haven't we? What other concrete could I have been meaning? The invisible kind?

First you stated he chose the concrete mullions to support the roof without a column. Then you said the only reason he picked concrete mullions was to satisfy an aesthetic fetish. These cannot both be true. You simply asserted each when it was most convenient for you.

"FLW used concrete mullions to support the roof without a column. The only reason he picked concrete mullions [instead of the several other ways in which he could have accomplished the goal of not having a column] was in order to satisfy his aesthetic fetish for concrete."

Does that work for you?

 

[StephenHero]

Nothing will work for foo because he's too busy finding ways to be a ******* clown.

 

[Piobaire]

1) I was about to chime in with, "That's your false dichotomy" but Foo beat me to it. At the very least SH should cut Foo some slack because SH accused him of creating a false dichotomy when it was quite reasonable to read SH as having created it. Foo was only working with what SH provided.

2) I was not going to mention this the other day but I think saying, "...because he was trying to exploit its form-making potential in a structural way that was ahead of the construction technology that was needed in order to pull it off with a gracefulness..." as if he was at fault of something is like applying 21st century Western attitudes to the role of women in the Dark Age society.

 

[TheFoo]



Read the first two sentences of the initial post:
I alluded to his formwork pattern fetish in the first ******* sentence. You just had too little understanding to pick up on it. "Form-making potential" implies ornament. If I didn't mean that, I would have said "exploit its structural potential in a form-making way."

That first sentence says nothing about whether concrete would have been the necessary material to support the roof without a column. It only says the execution was less graceful given the underdevelopment of technology at the time.

On the other hand, your second sentence quite clearly states that he picked concrete mullions for a specific, structural reason.

 

[Douglas]

cut it out or i will progressively keep posting more and more awful images

 

[mordecai]



2) I was not going to mention this the other day but I think saying, "...because he was trying to exploit its form-making potential in a structural way that was ahead of the construction technology that was needed in order to pull it off with a gracefulness..." is like applying 21st century Western attitudes to the role of women in the Dark Age society.

I think it's more like saying that the designer of the Phaistos Disc was brilliant but ultimately unsuccessful because printable type isn't really a good idea when only 20 people can read and write. In that case culture had to catch up with technology, in the FLW case maybe technology had to catch up with Culture.

What is with you guys? Are you both willfully obtuse in order to win internet arguments or do you really need everything to be perfectly spelled out for you?

 

[StephenHero]



Those first two sentences say nothing about whether concrete would have been the necessary material to support the roof without a column. They only say the execution was less graceful given the underdevelopment of technology at the time.

On the other hand, your third sentence quite clearly states that he picked concrete mullions for a specific, structural reason.

Yes, because I took it in good faith that nobody would be so ******* stupid as to not realize there is more than one way to hold up a ******* roof. Evidently, I was wrong to assume that, and should have spent an extra sentence explaining rudimentary concepts to you.

 

[Kaplan]

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