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Thread Starter 
Ok, this has nothing to do with me directly, but a friend-of-a-friend came by and asked a question I could not answer. He had a pair of Brooks Brothers shoes made in England that are fairly old, as I could see. They had the following lining notations: 400D M89 952 M 18622 They are labeled as 'Made for Brooks Brothers in England' with the BB logo. Style name is 'Surrey'. So, who made them, and what size are they? Sole stamping has been rubbed out, so no help there...
post #2 of 13
Peal & Co. is a good guess. Do I win a free pair of Marteganis if correct? Grayson
post #3 of 13
If they say "Peal" anywhere, they could be E.G., could be C&J, could be Sargent.  If they're really old, it's likely they're Greens.  Green made the "made in England" line of BB shoes until (I believe) the early 80s, under the Peal name.  If they're merely somewhat old, they're more likely to be C&J, also made under the Peal name.  Peal was a London bespoke firm (now part of Foster's) that did not make shoes for BB but licensed their name. If they say "Made in England" but don't have the Peal name, then I'm not sure.  But one of the shoe geeks will doubtless know.
post #4 of 13
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Peal & Co. is a good guess. Do I win a free pair of Marteganis if correct?
LOL...I'm saving that offer for a REALLY big favor... The thing I don't get is that they say 'Made in England' but are not labeled as Peal. Also, they have cotton twill vamp linings, so should be pretty old...
post #5 of 13
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...But one of the shoe geeks will doubtless know.
He means you Cusey...
post #6 of 13
It's interesting to me that about 4 years ago, after I had purchased a number of Church's shoes, that I saw some Brooks Brothers shoes (Peal) and began to try and find out who actually made the shoes for BB. I thought the shoes I had seen at the time looked a bit like my Church's shoes so it finally came down to e-mailing Church's in England. I contacted their corporate office and their final answer to me what the Church's did in fact make shoes for Brooks Brothers. Boy, were they wrong.
post #7 of 13
Church has made shoes for Brooks Brothers. One style is the patent leather oxford.
post #8 of 13
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The thing I don't get is that they say 'Made in England' but are not labeled as Peal....
I've seen Brooks shoes on ebay like that sometimes, for example here.
post #9 of 13
"Brooks English" at one point was made by Church's; these were shoes that were not labelled Peal. Church's still makes or did until recently a formal slipper for BB. I don't think Green made anything for BB that was not labelled Peal. I believe the Brooks English line slightly lower than Peal.
post #10 of 13
It's not a sure sign, but some of Church's shoes, including the basic models most frequently advertsied in the US, have linen linings. That may correspond to the "...cotton twill vamp linings..." mentioned in the description.
post #11 of 13
For what it's worth, there was a pair of these Surrey model BB shoes on an ebay auction that ended last night (gently used, $99 with only one bid). The seller was kellyb who I've bought from and have a good opinion of and who also apparently has a good reputation with other members here and the shoes were represented as having been made by Edward Green.
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Kellyb33 listing for Surrey shoes is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....48&rd=1
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
That's them. Now I know who made them, but what about size? Any idea how to read the lining numbers to devine this?
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