5ep rigid LDB worn 2 inches large and thus 2 sizes over what I should've bought. my first pair of raws, beat around status now (I run in them and do housework and whatever). 7-8 HOT washes in 6-7 months, 2-3 of them with detergent, 3-4 boiling soaks, 1 tea soak (And another one as we speak...)