Thanks. Turndown collar basically means that the collar covers the band of the bow tie around the neck. Correct? Also I was planning on going with studs so no buttons. 3 or 4 studs? Interesting read on Kent Wang who says 3 is correct and 4 is often done by those who don't know. Also, why KW remove the pleats? I thought they were a more traditional and formal look = black tie.