My IronHeart's are my favorite pair of denim and feel near indestructible. They don't stretch as much as lightweight, at least the ironhearts, maybe a quarter inch in the waist. Mista is right about the fades...takes awhile, but looks fantastic when they materialize. and they're great if you live in a cool climate city and spend a lot of time walking, commuting, etc. I don't wear them in the spring/summer though....too damn hot.