I don't know if this was directed at me but due to context I will assume so. I never suggested that they were doing anything untoward nor was I trying to start a debate. I wanted to see if NSM changed the standard for the manufacture of their shirts as can happen from time to time - think Borelli.You might want to read my posts. I am going to ask the next time they are in town. If it is a change in standard manufacture, I'll simply shift to another shirt maker.