the american made levis 501 selvedge that were on the website but are now gone are stf. i ordered a pair from a retail store. they are made in america the denim is good quality but as i said they are stf. they are stiff but not as stiff as other stf i have owned. just got this morning and i was heading to work so did not get a chance to try them on. they measured about 1 to 1/2 inches bigger then the tagged size.