Gotcha, thank you for the information. I should probably just stick to OTR then, because I'm not picky at all when it comes to suits. As long as it fits in the shoulders, chest, and the pants dont fall off when I stand up. I'm ok, I don't do too much hand wringing over suits.I might try indochino though, its' like $269 for a shark skin wool suit. Seems worth it to try.