I know I said it before, but I suggested ordering and trying on both tts and a half size down because sizing is all over the place. It's not just about width of the shoe and having a snug fit. The damn sole is so freaking thick that if you're wrong about the length, the heel slip is massive. For me, it slipped so much that I don't think I could have possibly broken in the sole at all by walking around. It was like having a wooden board strapped to the bottom of my feet.