I have searched feverishly for a dover in 8 w/antique for some time now. Given how much I love aldens commando sole I was one of the first in line for the Unionmade version. As Buda states, for me, the commando took away the main trait that I desire in the dover, it's sleekness. After an hour of indecision, I sent mine back. 8.5D, they didn't sit on the shelves for very long as it is a really nice looking shoe. Just didn't work for me.