@notwithit the reason I don't use any of the oils or saphir renovateur is two fold. I like a bit of wear and tear on my footwear. The best thing Simone ever did was stamp his handling instructions all over his shoe boxes. The other reason is that they darken the leather as well as interfere with a lot of treatments, i.e. carpe's destroyed horse or wax and resin treatments. Plus, renovateur is greasy and tends to leave a sticky film over the shoe.