Good points. I've owned Chopard with their LUC movements and currently own an Archimedes (Ickler). Many of these you list are good values as well as being independent of the Big 3 luxury conglomerates. I'm also a fan of Girard Perregaux which isn't really an Indy but Sowind is a small group. I own a JeanRichard with the JR1000 movement. However, if my collection consisted solely of Lange, I wouldn't be too sad .