Ha absolutely on the wallet full of money. I ordered in a half size below my GG fit so I'm hoping they work out well. I forget what lasts I tried on at the store a few months back but the 12E was too snug so I went with 12EE.I'm hoping so too. I'm pretty confident I'll be good though. Probably will be ordering a pair or two in the 8000 soon so that will be another gamble. Can't seem to find anywhere near me that stocks them to try on.