Guys I'm thinking of one last MTO. I was hoping to find a alden cigar LWB but don't believe it's in the cards. So I might just do a dark brown MacNeil shell. I can't remember but isn't there some one here who has already done one.
I have both and if used proper and just part of the Mac method I find Venetian far better. Now with AE shell I always find it hard to shine till strip off enough of the cream they seem lathered up with