Ok I blame all of you now I need more.
My first of 2 mto's arrived today, this one from Ascot, excellent service from Sammy there. Another pair to arrive shortly from the Epaulet mto run last fall, the u tip brogue in dark brown.
Details on these:
Old English II, dark cognac calf
45.5 standard width
JR double soles and metal tips, trees
I'm a 12 US, narrow heel and widish forefoot, these fit like they're made for my feet.