I don't think the concept is so bizarre, guys. You go to the shirtmaker, point at a bunch of stuff, then are alarmed to find how hideous it looks made up. There are always some burners, for whatever reason.
I don't think that latter combination would work for summer. It always looks affected with a sportcoat, sleazy.I guess you're right that it's best worn (if at all) in a purely resort context.A tie is beyond out of the question.