I don't blame you. I'm fortunate that I live very close to the Alden DC shop, so I can pop in and try on shoes as I like. Alden DC carries both indy's and PTB, but I'm not sure about the suede bucs. I don't recall the various leathers that are carried in those styles, but I know they have #8 shell and brown CXL (unlined) in the PTB and I think brown CXL in the indy's. Kathy is patient and will let you try on as many sizes as needed (or available) to find a good fit.