I purchased them from someone who bought a tagged size 33x38 (didn't measure actual) and hot soaked them and they got too small for them and just were put into storage. I did my own additional hot soak and then tried them on. Also, at its current "30 inch waist", it stretches well enough to fit my ~32" waist perfectly when worn at proper rise height. The 30" is measured without me pulling on the waistband at all.
10/24/12 at 9:08pm