Thanks for the feedback all. I was looking for a good everyday / bad weather day shoe and i think these will work (and get beat up along the way). In the future, when I think about seconds - i'll think if its a flaw/damage that I could create in the first few wears - keep them; otherwise, send them back. If they are not a standard alden makeup - that's a plus too. That said - i'm still willing to pay full price for the pleasure of being the first person to scuff my shoes!