Thanks, Thanks Thanks Thanks You're right rydenfan, they are the Montello Mini-Lug... so far very comfortable. Thanks So far I have worn them with Kkakis and jeans. I think they would look great with Navy Blue pants and also charcoal and grey pants. They look pretty dark indoors, not quite black but dark green. IMO they run large. I have a pair of the Blake Plain Toe boots in the same size and the wingtips feel larger and longer than the boots.