Thanks. Thanks to Mac for the method, too. Those shoes have never seen anything but a damp rag, a brush, and very occasionally an application of Renovateur. I don't understand all of this Renomat and stripping business, frankly.About the color, I am almost positive they were labelled "dark brown." There is a hint of red in there, but I also have burgundy shell Macneils and they are an entirely different color.