I posted a not too great photo here of this shirt with a tie and jacket last summer maybe end of Juy I think. On mobile so I can't search for it now... It works fine imo. The collar is not really unstructured.Tubo belts are great.
@gdl203 or @conceptual 4est I'm considering the Gray Gordon cardigan. I could go with the M for same size as my Bart (which is a trim fit). Any thoughts on the wisdom of going up to L for a more relaxed fit?