also, i'm guessing the trade doesn't happen if Verlander was his 2011-12 self. never know though. there's some in the media that believe the Fister trade, which was a terrible return, was orchestrated by the owner's son, who is the heir to the throne. i sort of believe it because Mike Illitch was nowhere to be seen the latter part of last season due to some health issues. supposedly he is better now, although he is 90ish, and was the main voice on this deal.