they both have bodies like dog shit. lyle looks like a 3rd rate harold ramie.
anyway, i just took a big step, hiring a coach. am thinking i will compete in masters NPC as 40 approaches. i think i am about a year away. have to improve glutes and legs but with chest striated and 51" at 218, arms at 20.5", if I get to 255-260 i should be pretty massive and be able to place well on mass alone. most people have said they guessed i am around 240 now so i can carry a lot of lbs.