My Ravello is from TSM. The batch from that time (2011) was very reddish in color. I've owned other Ravello that I've sold because they were more of a brown (almost whiskey) with no red overtones at all. Having seen TSM #4 boots (both the SW & Captoe) I believe the color to be almost identical to some Ravello that I've seen. If anything the older Ravello is more red than the #4.